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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySat May 27, 2023 9:55 pm

Very nice Disney herds and Takara sea life! cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySat May 27, 2023 11:20 pm

Caracal wrote:
Very nice Disney herds and Takara sea life! cheers cheers

thank you very much Alain!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySat May 27, 2023 11:28 pm

here is my work in progress! Copying this all over from the WIP thread!
I nearly finished my Hagerman Horses, Equus Simplicidens today! My new paint arrived. I got Dayler Rowney acrylics and they were easier to use.
The horses look good from a distance, but under the close up lens of my camera you can see every imperfect detail cyclops
I might do some final touch ups.

How did I decide on the coat pattern?
Well, after hours and hours of incredible interesting research about Pliocene mammals I came to some conclusions and tried to draw comparisons between zebra evolution in Africa, the climate, disease carrying biting flies (tabanids) and habitat there now, compared to Equus Simplicidens in Idaho/middle America 3-4 million years ago.
I took into consideration the following -

Migrations - most probably emigrations (one way) across the Bering Strait when it opened up a few times by the Equus from North America to Europe and on to Africa - as Equus Simplicidens spread all over Asia, Europe and into Africa, where the zebra evolved.

Climate and flora of Africa and North America, in particular tropical grasslands where Equus and laterally African zebra flourished, as do the biting flies that carry disease.

The particular effect of biting flies on Equus across the world in relation to coat colour and patterns - striped and white horses get less tabanids bites (biting flies) than same colour coats of brown and black.

Stripes on zebras - why they evolved, - mainly as a deterrent for tabanids.

Their coat variations compared to geographical location - in the North they have many close together stripes all over the body, in the cooler South they have mainly wider stripes and paler, unstriped legs.

The 3 separate zebra species, all with a different number of chromosomes that evolved independently from one another,
each with unique features.

Stripes in all species are all perpendicular to the body and cause the flies to fly towards the stripes at their regular speed making it unsuitable for landing safely.
Stripe widths play an important part in fly deterrence, the zebras in the Southern range tend to have whiter legs and it is cooler there.

Tabanids cruise at just above ground level, 30cm, so landing on legs and lower body parts is more likely.
Tabanids are mainly found in tropical grasslands.

Zebras have shorter hair lengths and their hair sits flatter on their coats compared to all other ungulates.
The tabanids can easily penetrate the zebra coat compared to the other ungulates.
So having a striped coat helps in warding off tabanids. In the hot tropical areas of open grasslands a shorter coat is preferred, and there is also research showing the stripes affect air flow around the body, with the hairs in the black stripes being able to open and separate independently from the white striping areas, helping the zebra to regulate their temperature when under constant sun.

Coat patterns of the other Equus species that evolved, like Onagers, Kiangs, Somali Wild Ass all have lighter coats and bare legs. They live in places with less biting flies, and remembering that lighter coats attract less biting flies (in a research paper I read).

Cave art paintings of Equus across the world showing variations in colours, but mainly dark legs, dark neck and heads, dark mane, white underbelly. And some with spots, some with striping here and there

And the appearance of prehistoric coat markings on modern (wild) horses - stripes on legs, on shoulder, along back, and also genetic variations in zebra coats - dark coats with white spots

So after all that I came to some decisions as to a suitable coat patterns bom cyclops
here they are -
brown coat - will vary in colour from darkest brown to light fawn
they have a white underbelly,
black dorsal stripe,
slightly convex face,
black short upright mane,
striping and spots perpendicular to body, on rump, neck, some spotting on face and on leg areas, - many genetic variations over their evolution, but all carrying a gene for perpendicular striping/spot-striping on main dark coloured body areas as a deterrent to tabanids when in the tropical open grasslands
striping on legs, as deterrent to tabanids who cruise at around 30cm above ground
whites around eyes, - most probably they have some black markings near their eyes too to help absorb the sun's rays - I may paint these in later - think similar to oryx in Namibia, Springbok in Namibia. As whites around eyes could maybe be a cold climate characteristic.
black tipped ears,
black strip on backs of ears with white top,
hair only on end of long tail, like modern zebras, for swatting biting flies
big metallic sapphire coloured eyes (from my eyeshadow palette Wink

drawing in rough draft of coat, changed in final version and as I discovered more information.
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filling in recessed eye holes in model, adding convex face
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coat put on,
eyes painted in
blue irises added, sealed with gloss lacquer
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leg striping
dorsal and mane striping
spots and stripes added
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finished!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySun May 28, 2023 3:35 am

Fantastic! Applause

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySun May 28, 2023 3:17 pm

Wilorvise wrote:
Fantastic! Applause

thank you very much Wilorvise!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySun May 28, 2023 9:33 pm

Just genial Annette! It is all so interesting and it is worth all the time you dedicated to study it because the final result is very convincent and really beautiful! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySun May 28, 2023 10:22 pm

Thank you very much Roger!
It would be nice to have a time machine to go back and see what they actually did look like.
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyMon May 29, 2023 11:51 am

Applause Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyMon May 29, 2023 8:05 pm

Beautiful! I love to see ancient horses and their relatives represented and especially love all your research into possible coat colors. Really interesting and fascinating and I think the end result look very plausible. Great work! Applause
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyMon May 29, 2023 8:11 pm

I agree, excellent research and analysis to come up with the most likely pattern. I really enjoyed my dabbling in a similar area when working out my Megaloceros colour the other year, and it must be even more intriguing without the help of contemporary cave art from the right area. The zebras make a lovely base, and the finished horses make a great matching pair with their different tail poses.

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyWed May 31, 2023 3:08 am

widukind wrote:
Applause Applause Applause

thank you Andreas!

Jill wrote:
Beautiful! I love to see ancient horses and their relatives represented and especially love all your research into possible coat colors. Really interesting and fascinating and I think the end result look very plausible. Great work! Applause

Thank you very much Jill, yes perhaps they did actually look like this bom

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I agree, excellent research and analysis to come up with the most likely pattern. I really enjoyed my dabbling in a similar area when working out my Megaloceros colour the other year, and it must be even more intriguing without the help of contemporary cave art from the right area. The zebras make a lovely base, and the finished horses make a great matching pair with their different tail poses.

Thank you George. I remember your megaloceros and the research you did! I tried to do a walk back thru time study
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyWed May 31, 2023 9:25 pm

Very very good job Annette! cheers cheers drunken
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyThu Jun 01, 2023 12:42 am

These horses are very happy with your job, congratulations. Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyThu Jun 01, 2023 1:20 am

Caracal wrote:
Very very good job Annette! cheers cheers drunken

thank you Alain!

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These horses are very happy with your job, congratulations.  Applause Applause

indeed:) thank you Fernando
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySat Jun 03, 2023 1:56 pm

Very nice looking models! Love it!
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thank you Morek!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptySun Jun 04, 2023 2:45 am

I added some black stripes to the face of the Hagerman Horses.

In line with the perpendicular striping on zebras - I placed 2 bars/spots behind the eye, a bar/spot above the eye and a line running under the eye.
Oryx and springbok in Namibia both have black eye bars that go right up to the eye, and then continue their path across the face.
But on these horses I have made a gap so that more of the white patch is still visible.
There is no equus that I've seen that has a black continuous bar going across their eye on their face today. So perhaps this type of marking did not evolve on them.
Even the Kiangs and Somali Wild Ass have not got this feature, and they live in very hot arid desert type areas like springboks and oryx. Why did the kiangs and Wild Asses not develop this feature?

Once the Equus Simplicidens get to Africa and have that constant heavy tropical heat and biting fly nuisance, they will then start to develop stronger striping and more contrast on their face, as they spend a great majority of their time eating with their head down in the grasses, and at around the typical 30cm flying height for tabanids, so having this deterrence is a must.

By the way, maybe for horses annoyed by flies, it could be helpful to make a black/white striping pattern on their face area, or give them striped eye/face nets to wear at least. Why isn't this already more common?


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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyMon Jun 05, 2023 8:18 pm

Interesting observations about the stripes around the eyes in various species. The Hagerman horses are lovely!

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 12:39 am

rogerpgvg wrote:
Interesting observations about the stripes around the eyes in various species. The Hagerman horses are lovely!

yes indeed Roger, I shall have to do some thorough research about this!
Thank you very much!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 12:49 am

I just custom painted a baby White Tiger cub :)

here is the little mite - tiny!

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and with his parents
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and it's all in the details, check out those paw prints!
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 3:14 am

Oh that cub is darling... excellent work!

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 8:34 am

Wow, amazing! The tiger style works really well for the Britains tiger cub. I don't know how you can get so much detail on such a small figure - you must have a very steady hand. I notice that your tigers have "eyes" on their ears, as they should have. I only discovered this recently, as most 1/32 scale tigers lack this detail.

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 3:30 pm

cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 5:38 pm

Very Happy Very meticulous and beautiful repaint on theses so tiny Britains tigers! cheers cheers drunken
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PostSubject: Re: sunny's collection    sunny's collection  - Page 13 EmptyTue Jun 06, 2023 7:54 pm

Beautiful repaint!!!!!! cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

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