Species identification topic

So it’s up to interpretation what species this is. I think it looks the most like a Rough-legged Hawk.

No, it neither have the body, wing and tail shape of a falcon. Of an eagle maybe, but not a falcon. However it have the body, wing and tail shape of some pigeon species. And many pigeons are not plump nor rounded. Sincerely is as similar to a hawk as is to a cormorant, ostrich or hummingbird. It may be used as other thing than pigeon (maybe some kind of fowl of passerine), but for sure never as a raptor.

Ok.
Good points.

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Front of leaflet (Gymnothorax meleagris)

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Back of leaflet

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Photos of Gymnothorax prionodon

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Photo of figure

The Yowies White-spot Moray Eel actually represents the Australian mottled moray, Gymnothorax prionodon, according to the leaflet.
The eel photo on the front of the leaflet is most likely of a Gymnothorax meleagris (white-mouth or turkey moray), but the figure’s color scheme more closely matches the photo of Gymnothorax prionodon. In that case, the ToyAnimal.info identification of Gymnothorax johnsoni (a little-known species with very few photos) is incorrect and should be changed to Australian mottled moray, Gymnothorax prionodon.

Birdsage wrote:

Also, are you sure it was never officially sold in the US, at least after Bullyland discontinued it from their lines?
There is currently an eBay seller selling them from Alabama under the brand Mamejo Nature in mass numbers and new, along with the perched Brown Pelican, so there might’ve been some cases like that in brick-and-mortar stores in the US too.

I never said it was not sold in US, I said it was first appeared as a Bullyland, it only means that it was not made for the US market and we need to know this when we search for a species. US companies, like Marx or Safari Ltd made there models first for US market which is different from EU market. We must also remember this series was poorly painted. For example you identified the pelican as a Brown pelican and I would say it is a Peruvian one.

Birdsage wrote:

I know that this is a buteo and not an accipiter because the figure is heavyset and broad-winged in shape, and it doesn’t have the gray or gray-brown countershading pattern that goshawks, sparrowhawks, and the Cooper’s and Sharp-shinned Hawks have.

Again the painting is not a good indication since it isn't realistic. For me the most important point to determine if a buzzard is a rough-legged "hawk" is the rough leggs.

Birdsage wrote:

So it’s up to interpretation what species this is. I think it looks the most like a Rough-legged Hawk.

I understand. The good thing is we have a discussion about this

Pardofelis wrote:

No, it neither have the body, wing and tail shape of a falcon. Of an eagle maybe, but not a falcon. However it have the body, wing and tail shape of some pigeon species. And many pigeons are not plump nor rounded. Sincerely is as similar to a hawk as is to a cormorant, ostrich or hummingbird. It may be used as other thing than pigeon (maybe some kind of fowl of passerine), but for sure never as a raptor.

What uyou are saying is very clever Isidro.

My main problem is I think like a toy collector.

This model is a lead model, it is a CBG Mignot, a brand even older than Britains Ltd, it means it is probably an old model. The company provided Gorilla, elephant, leopard, lion, very common species. They also produced a few uncommon species like porcupine or Marabu stork, this one had different paintings, the last one was that :

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So what chance a brand like CBG Mignot would made an Imperial pigeon ? Poor
What chance it would made an eagle ? More than a pigeon
What chance it made an odd painting ? At least conceivable to high

I will try to find how CBG officially called it and I will follow their choice to enter it on TAW. Then I will write your concusion about the species on the page. Is it fair ?

The AAA Pelican is the Brown species, because it has a red lower bill pouch, not a blue one. Peruvian Pelicans don’t have a red pouch.

Yes marabou colours are odd, but at least the bird have the shape of a marabou
Maybe the figure was intended to be an eagle after all, despite having a pigeon bill. The shape and proportions of the body and head, minus the bill, matches with a big eagle like golden eagle.
I think your solution is the best: put the figure on TAW according to what it was marketed. If it was marketed as a cormorant, cormorant has to be... Tough a cormorant is a somewhat obscure genus for a brand that only do ABC animals....

That’s what I was trying to say. I got the shape of a golden eagle confused with the Nayab falcon figure.

Birdsage wrote:

The AAA Pelican is the Brown species, because it has a red lower bill pouch, not a blue one. Peruvian Pelicans don’t have a red pouch.

And it has a Peruvian pelican neck, so maybe it's mother was brown and his father Peruvian. Birdsage, with this kind of models we often see what we want to notice. Maybe it could also be an Eastern brown pelican but he hasn't the black feet. I also remember some AAA perched pelican with a blueish lower bill pouch.

Pardofelis wrote:

Yes marabou colours are odd, but at least the bird have the shape of a marabou
Maybe the figure was intended to be an eagle after all, despite having a pigeon bill. The shape and proportions of the body and head, minus the bill, matches with a big eagle like golden eagle.
I think your solution is the best: put the figure on TAW according to what it was marketed. If it was marketed as a cormorant, cormorant has to be... Tough a cormorant is a somewhat obscure genus for a brand that only do ABC animals....

I agree, I think it is the seller who called it a cormorant

Clearly the Pelican isn’t an “eastern” because these have brown pouches.
It’s the California Brown Pelican that has the red pouch.
Anyway, none of them—California Brown, Eastern Brown, or Peruvian—have the same brown color of feet as the pole that the figure is standing on. Also, none of them have that weird purple and aqua sheen on the wings.
I looked at photos of Peruvian Pelicans and found that they never have bright red “gular” pouches. If there is a version of the figure with a blue gular pouch, it could be the only official Peruvian Pelican figure. If there are two forms, the figure can represent both species on ToyAnimal.Info. That is, if someone could put a picture of the other version on there.

Also, both species can have brown at the back of the neck, so that’s not necessarily a distinguishing feature.

Kikimalou wrote:

CBG Mignot bird, sold a a Cormorant... any idea ?

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Wow, i dont see that. What is the material?

Lead

Kikimalou wrote:

Lead

Thanks

This bird is marvellous.

Thank you Fernando It is a marvelous odd species bird

Lineol Fur seal: What species ? What genus ? Callorhinus or Arctocephalus ?

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Arctocephalus. Callorhinus is unmistakable - with a very sharp nose and extremely long flippers.
Now the difficult part is to tell... which Arctocephalus?

Isn't it the other way round, Pardo?
That short snout and abrupt forehead makes me think it is a Northern fur seal.

I agree with Rogério for the nose and with Isidro for the flippers...

This is the one I've photographed at New England aquarium. I would call this a sharp nose
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Ok so a short sharp snout

I must say I would preferred it was a Northern seal because it would be easier to add it on TAW.

Kikimalou wrote:

Lineol Fur seal: What species ? What genus ? Callorhinus or Arctocephalus ?

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If you find out what specie was in the 20s or 30s at the Berlin zoo, you know it :)

Apparently Berlin zoo kept Cape fur seal (Arctocephalus pusillus pusillus) in 1929, if I interpret correctly this:

"Ehemalige Haltungen:
1929 bis mind. 1941;
vormalige Zucht zuletzt 1941
Welterstzucht 1939"

And it also kept Northern fur seal (Callorhinus ursinus) in 1933 if I interpret correctly this (I know zero of German language, sorry):

"1933 bis Ende 30er Jahre
2013 - 2017
keine Zucht"

So, we didn't solved nothing as Berlin zoo kept both species in the 30s!!! (and also Arctocephalus australis, but much later, in the 70s)