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Oh I missed your reply Christophe, thank you so much!

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Nayab(?) Birds: I need help with proper species IDs on most, and the ones that are innacurately painted some suggestions on species to repaint them based on body features. I would really appreciate the help. Here we go!

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Peacock
Macaw- repaint suggestions?
Spoonbill- TAW says Eurasian spoonbill?
Pileated woodpecker
Owl- horned or eagle owl? One is supposed to be eagle, and one great horned...
Crowned pigeon
Mallard- any other duck species suggestions to repaint to?
Toucan- TAW suggests green billed toucan, going to need repainted obviously
African finfoot- according to TAW
Hummingbird- short beak, maybe a bumblebee?
Ibis- american white?
Vulture- california condor?

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Budgie- any color suggestions? Other than blue or green
Macaw-repaint to military macaw?
Toucan-repaint suggestions? 
Rainbow bird... no idea honestly.
Ibises- repaint suggestions? I was thinking glossy or black headed...
Cockatoo- cockatiel maybe? 
Vulture...?- body says vulture to me but the beak is wrong. 
Owl- same as above, one is an eagle owl, other is a great horned supposedly
Pelican- repaint suggestions?

Lastly, the two parrots- repaint ideas? I was thinking maybe a ring-necked and an African gray?

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Monitor lizard? Species suggestion?
Thorny/horned lizard- species suggestion?
Sailfin lizard
Frilled lizard
Hellbender? Or Tiger salamander? At any rate its painted like a Painted Salamander...
3 horned chameleon
Basilisk- species suggestion?
Gecko- species?
No idea about the black and yellow lizard
Tuatara perhaps? With a repaint...?
Next two I also have no idea....

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I am not going to overanalyze these, as I know some on this forum will... Since you are going to be painting them, it's easy to find something with a comparable morphology and paint accordingly.

I do want to point out one ID/correct; the thing you have as a sailfin lizard is a crested newt; this figure has come up in other K&M sets.
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PostSubject: Re: Coral species? 3/14/24   Coral species? 3/14/24 - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 18, 2021 6:13 pm

bmathison1972 wrote:
I am not going to overanalyze these, as I know some on this forum will... Since you are going to be painting them, it's easy to find something with a comparable morphology and paint accordingly.

I do want to point out one ID/correct; the thing you have as a sailfin lizard is a crested newt; this figure has come up in other K&M sets.
As for the correction, thats even better than I thought! Thank you. 

I'm not really looking for exact subspecies etc. etc., just want to make sure I am correctly assessing the models as family groups so I can select a species that'll work for a repaint (especially since I am more educated on mammals rather than birds and reptiles) . I honestly think this brand makes generic models, I am just using the opportunity to increase species richness in my collection since they are decent models themselves and not high quality ones to "ruin" (depending on your opinions of customs)...

Thanks again for your correction Blaine! I love my new newt.  Applause

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The ones that are obvious, you have determined in my opinion correctly. As Blaine, I think you have there a crested newt :)
I have the spoonbill as Roseate spoonbill, as it clearly has rose plumage. As your Peafowl is more green then the ones I´ve seen from this brand, I would suggest a Green Peafowl. The first toucan, I used as fiery-billed aracari but I think it could present a Tockus, too.

The Gecko seems to be a Tokay gecko. The last two could be monitors or varans?

The most have really odd colours, maybe knockoffs?
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PostSubject: Re: Coral species? 3/14/24   Coral species? 3/14/24 - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 18, 2021 6:37 pm

I think yellow brown lizard should be a gila monster, than a iguana, the red lizard ? and the last one should be a komodo dragon.

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The red lizard has the body shape of an iguana, a marine iguana perhaps? The last dark brown one I am fairly certain is a Uromastyx or similar. The Brown And yellow one stumps me. The monitor is intended to be a Komodo but might I suggest a Timor monitor for a repaint?

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PostSubject: Re: Coral species? 3/14/24   Coral species? 3/14/24 - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 19, 2021 2:58 am

Thanks for your suggestions so far!

The red lizard has a very iguana-esque body but a very small head, and not blunted like a marine iguana... maybe some sort of spiny iguana (several different species), a Lua banded, or desert iguana is what I lean to mostly...

The last dark one I thought uromastyx also due to its small head, but the tail is wrong. Might be as close as we get though. 

The yellow banded could be a gila monster with a little paint. 

A Timor monitor would be beautiful, but that might be a complicated pattern to do on such a small figure...

Thank you all for your help so far! I think we have gotten some good prospects for these models. I really appreciate your thoughts!

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Duck-Anch-Amun wrote:

I have the spoonbill as Roseate spoonbill, as it clearly has rose plumage. As your Peafowl is more green then the ones I´ve seen from this brand, I would suggest a Green Peafowl.

But the spoonbill have a crest, a thing that roseate spoonbills don't have. Better use as a Eurasian spoonbill and repaint according to this species.
The peafowl have a wrong crest shape for a Green peafowl and it's an Indian or Blue peafowl.

The fact that they have colours more according to roseate spoonbill and green peafowl respectively (and even then very inaccurate) is totally irrelevant as almost all the figures (except the pileated woodpecker) are painted with fantasy colours absolutely different from the species they represent.

Also, those called ibis can't be ibis because they have a straight bill. I would use first as a white stork and the others as some kind of stork or spoonbill (I can't see if the tip of bill is flattened or it's just an effect of the bill being soo thick at the tip in lateral view?)

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Pardofelis wrote:
Duck-Anch-Amun wrote:

I have the spoonbill as Roseate spoonbill, as it clearly has rose plumage. As your Peafowl is more green then the ones I´ve seen from this brand, I would suggest a Green Peafowl.

But the spoonbill have a crest, a thing that roseate spoonbills don't have. Better use as a Eurasian spoonbill and repaint according to this species.
The peafowl have a wrong crest shape for a Green peafowl and it's an Indian or Blue peafowl.

The fact that they have colours more according to roseate spoonbill and green peafowl respectively (and even then very inaccurate) is totally irrelevant as almost all the figures (except the pileated woodpecker) are painted with fantasy colours absolutely different from the species they represent.

Also, those called ibis can't be ibis because they have a straight bill. I would use first as a white stork and the others as some kind of stork or spoonbill (I can't see if the tip of bill is flattened or it's just an effect of the bill being soo thick at the tip in lateral view?)

Thank you for your suggestion Very Happy So I might use my not existing paint abilities^^ Or just buy the Safari figure Laughing
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First row on top-
Inaccurate Indian Peafowl
Scarlet Macaw
Mix of Eurasian and juvenile Roseate Spoonbills
Pileated Woodpecker
Eurasian Scops Owl
Crowned pigeon, wrong bill color
Mallard hybrid
Badly painted Toco Toucan
White-breasted Waterhen
Kingfisher, not any real species
Egret sp.
California Condor
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Next set-
Budgie-Plum-headed Parakeet
Macaw-Spix’s Macaw
Toucan-Collared Aracari
Rainbow bird-Western Tanager
Ibises-Siberian Crane and Black-necked Crane
Cockatoo-cockatiel
Vulture...?-White-rumped Vulture
Owl to Philippine Eagle-Owl
Pelican to Spot-billed Pelican

Lastly, the two parrots- repaint ideas? I was thinking maybe a ring-necked and an African gray?[/quote]
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Thanks for your thoughts everyone!

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First row on top-
Inaccurate Indian Peafowl
Scarlet Macaw
Mix of Eurasian and juvenile Roseate Spoonbills - just an Eurasian spoonbill for me
Pileated Woodpecker
Eurasian Scops Owl
Crowned pigeon, wrong bill color (every part of it have wrong color, not only the bill)
Mallard hybrid
Badly painted Toco Toucan (every bird and reptile here is badly painted)
White-breasted Waterhen - wild guess, but better than nothing. Did you tought in a badly done Egyptian vulture?
Kingfisher, not any real species - yes I was about to suggest kingfisher instead hummingbird. Much better
Egret sp. - or given how big and thick is the bill maybe a bigger heron. Not an stork as I suggested early, because the neck is curved and stork don't do that
California Condor[/quote]

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Budgie-Plum-headed Parakeet (for sure a budgie 100%)
Macaw-Spix’s Macaw blue & yellow macaw as best match. It have clearly the face parches of an Ara sp. macaw
Toucan-Collared Aracari bill proportions are more of a Ramphastos toucan. Too large bill for an aracari
Rainbow bird-Western Tanager - can be anything, from a goldfinch to a piculet
Ibises-Siberian Crane and Black-necked Crane - extremely large bills for cranes. I would use them as storks of spoonbills depending if the bill is or not flattened at the tip
Cockatoo-cockatiel - a too heavy crest and bill for a cockatiel, better a sulphur-crested cockatoo
Vulture...?-White-rumped Vulture
Owl to Philippine Eagle-Owl
Pelican to Spot-billed Pelican

Lastly, the two parrots- repaint ideas? I was thinking maybe a ring-necked and an African gray?

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PostSubject: Re: Coral species? 3/14/24   Coral species? 3/14/24 - Page 2 EmptyMon Mar 01, 2021 11:56 pm

Not sure about these... all marked W. N. snake as pictured, rubbery material. Any ideas on species (they seem very generic to me) and what brand W. N. is? Never seen that one...
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Yes they're pretty generic, but it would be not difficult to find colour-matching species that you could attribute to your figures if you want. For example for the two most left ones, black and green mambas, for the middle one black with white bands, California kingsnake, and for the red one with black likes, Thai bamboo ratsnake.

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I think that W.N: remains a mistery to all of us. It is not the first time figures marked W.N: are presented on forum. We even considered to open a page on TAW called W.N: until we find the meaning but we never did it. This is actually one of the markings we know for a longer time that we were never able of finding it out. We also took a long time to find that XX was Wing Mao or that TM was Toy Major and not Tom Major as we thought for a long time. Laughing I think we have to open either on forum or TAW a kind of guide for markings.

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Thank you both for the info! Strange that its a longknown but such a mysterious company...

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I am not nearly good enough in animal species to give any relevant guesses. 
But I could suggest colouration for budgies. My mom has had budgies and other excotic small birds. 
So we have had a poster with the different colour-variations. 
I can't find a picture right now, but I found a link to a poster just like the one we had. 
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I hope that can be helpful for you bounce
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Hey thank you! That'll be useful when I repaint it  :)

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Found these two at thrift recently. Made of regular type plastic most figures are made of. Only marked with Italy as pictured. They almost seem to be part of a nativity set(?) But I only saw these two, no people or other animals. Brand? Breeds? I may want to repaint them but don't dare until I find more about them. 
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This one I have had for a looooong time. One of the models I have my earliest toy figure memories from. No idea where I got it. Its about 3-4 inches long so maybe it came in a tube or polybag type product?  I considered repainting it recently too but hesitate as I am really fond of it. It is stamped "A" and China. Any idea on brand or species? Any species repaint ideas if I decide to?
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The little whale i have too. But no idea. The Italian figures are very nice but never seen before.

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A goat, a dog, and a porpoise
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Some excellent models- I've never seen any of them before! Shocked
That dog is wonderful, I love how the flowing fur has been sculpted and it has that lovely vintage look! drunken It definitely doesn't obviously show a breed, but considering it is vintage and from Italy, it's probably based on a generic Italian farm/ sheepdog mix, back when they were more lithely built for working! Very Happy When I thought of Italian sheepdogs I immediately thought of the Maremma- the modern show dogs are more stocky but I know that there are/ were more lightly built strains and it could almost be based on this dog. I found a few photos of slimmer Maremmas, maybe this dog was a Maremma crossed with some other Italian sheepdog:
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And then for the brand, I did a bit of research and I definitely think like you thought that they were from a nativity set! Very Happy When I searched searched 'Italy plastic animals nativity' lots of models with this style came up, and lots of the images seem to be labelled Italy. study
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None of them seem to have a specific brand, but they seem to have been fairly common/ popular! Although I'm sure they're difficult to find now, and they're so delicate and beautiful! drunken But I hope some of this helps a bit! Very Happy
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