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PostSubject: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:39 pm

Papo or Schleich?
Which one is your brand of choice? I have recently been considering to concentrate my collection on only one brand - but found it extremely hard to do. In my opinion, Schleich has the "Class"; Papo has an artistic realism. Both brands have strengths and weaknesses - they complete each other when collected together by us, collectors; satisfy the different demands of our imagination...

What do you think? Who would you choose as the ultimate brand?

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:49 pm

For me, I don't like the thought of collecting solely Schleich or solely Papo, collecting a mixture makes it more exciting and interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:00 pm

My brand of choice is Schleich, for simple reason - Papo is unavailable in my country and buying abroad is too expensive for me at the moment.
Furthermore, I have seen many photos of Papo models, they are great but they don't appeal to me as much as Schleich Wink

EDIT: But I don't limit my collection to Schleich only Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:03 pm

What you really want to do Gab, complete a brand? Make a diorama of a specific fauna, have all animals in scale? buy the best of each species? Complete some series?
Tell me exactily want you want and I give you my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:11 pm

Hi Gabriel,

Since I start collecting Animal Replica I only collect Schleich but lately I start collecting other brands even Made in China without brand. What I look when collecting animal replicas is to find the ones that really looks like the originals and I found this in Schleich and Safari (ones I have right now) and also on Papo that I will get my first one hopefully soon.

Also in may I will start buying some MOJO as they really look great and will complement my collection.

As Harriet mentioned, collecting all the brands let you choose the ones that you like most and have the best representatives for all the animals that you can get.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:13 pm

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What you really want to do Gab, complete a brand? Make a diorama of a specific fauna, have all animals in scale? buy the best of each species? Complete some series?
Tell me exactily want you want and I give you my opinion.

Good question(s), Roger my friend. And my answer to you would be: I want some of each. Hence I believe the best thing to do is to keep collecting them both - for they complete each other perfectly.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:21 pm

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What you really want to do Gab, complete a brand? Make a diorama of a specific fauna, have all animals in scale? buy the best of each species? Complete some series?
Tell me exactily want you want and I give you my opinion.

Good question(s), Roger my friend. And my answer to you would be: I want some of each. Hence I believe the best thing to do is to keep collecting them both - for they complete each other perfectly.

So I have another question! OK, I agree, Papo and Schleich are very nice brands, but, for example, if you want a swan and you agree that the Collecta is the best why you have to buy the Papo or Schleich ionly because of the brand? Or, for example, my favourite hyena is the Mojo, why you have to select only from these 2 brands? Or if you want one of the many species only available in Safari range why you have to wait all your live for a Schleich or Papo without knowing if they will make it? :)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:08 pm

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For me, I don't like the thought of collecting solely Schleich or solely Papo, collecting a mixture makes it more exciting and interesting.

...I agree! I think we must collect ANIMAL NATURAL REPLICAS (MODELS) and not brands! What is animals figurines for us? It,s only statuettes on shelves (as tableware, trinkets, knick-knacks and other things)? No! First of all we altogether LOVE the ANIMALS! So we are collectors of animal models. What is brand? It,s only way to collect best or all models of world animals! Is it right, Gabe? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


PS BTW I love more Papo than Schleich... Well, what of that?? Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:31 pm

I agree with your way of thinking, Roger. I'm adding to my wishlist those models, which I really like, regardless of their brand. However, I also think if it's available for me. At the moment I buy only those which are available in my country. When I'll finally complete my studies and get a job, I'll start buying online other brands Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:33 pm

Roger: My answer this time will be: Don't want to have a massive collection in a short time. If I concentrate it will grow slowly...

Sergey: Wise philosophy! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:02 pm

[quote="Gabe"]Roger: My answer this time will be: Don't want to have a massive collection in a short time. If I concentrate it will grow slowly...


OK Gab, so tell me what of these collections is more massive, my 100 figures from 10 different brands or the 350 Schleich from a member of this forum?
My suggestion is, buy what pleases you without thinking in brands! 10 figures of 10 different brands are the same amount than 10 figures from the same brand, if you want diversisty, you could considere two different figures from the same species has uninteresting, so you can keep the one you like more and trade the other as or example, I loved more the Papo gorilla than the CollectA and bought the Papo and traded the CollectA that was already in my collection, of course I don't do it with every species, I have 5 hyenas from different brands and I don't want to trad any!...and 11 red foxes and some lions! But most part are one representing each species. Another strategy is to collect some families, for example, deers are very interesting in complete families because male, female and cubs are very different. You only should know what you want to collect! If you are able to do it it will be perfect... I was not able yet! Very Happy ...but I'm enjoying a lot!Very Happy
If the world only had Papo and Schleich I surely would collect both!
Schleich is a pleasure as collectibles, a very long history, many figures, rare figures and with a growing value, this is all a real collector love!
Papo has a short history, much smaller range and only some figures hard to find, but the more realistic works are from Papo, this is what a lover of animals figures loves even if he has not a collector spirit or many money!:)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:09 pm

sunny I'm glad I've opened this thread - learned a valuable lesson. Thank you all, especially you, Roger. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:14 pm

Good night to you too Gab! Glad to be helpful!:)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:44 pm

I think you migh see which of those brands produce the best animals that you´re looking for. I don´t know about other animals, but horses are far better by Schleich. Papo horses have poor detailed sculpting and painting, and the anatomy is not quite good. But Schleich are good figurines when talking about horses: great anatomy, great detailing and great painting.

But I´m sure Papo has some good animals, if not it wouldn´t be so popular. So my advice is that you have to see which brand produces better wolves, or elephants, or gazelles, or etc; and the choose.

Oh, I want to add that I not only have Schleich horses. I also buy Safari if I really like the horse, and even if I don´t like Papo I have some old horses by this brand. So I collect all the Schleich horses and I complete my collection with the models I like best from other brands.

I say this as an example of how you can collect :)

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:03 pm

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I think you migh see which of those brands produce the best animals that you´re looking for. I don´t know about other animals, but horses are far better by Schleich. Papo horses have poor detailed sculpting and painting, and the anatomy is not quite good. But Schleich are good figurines when talking about horses: great anatomy, great detailing and great painting.

But I´m sure Papo has some good animals, if not it wouldn´t be so popular. So my advice is that you have to see which brand produces better wolves, or elephants, or gazelles, or etc; and the choose.


...I,m agree:
Horses are better by Schleich
Big wild cats .... by Papo
Dogs .... by Schleich
Elephants .... by Papo
Birds ... by Safari and Collecta
Hippos.... by Papo...........................and....and.....etc.......

Well, what of that? Wink Wink Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:23 pm

I agree with you about farm animals, usually horses and dogs have their own series but are farm animals, and in this point Schleich is really interesting! But Gab only collects Wild life and my comments are thinking in it! ...and for example, Safari is probabily the best in prehistoric figures but Bullyland have in my opinion the most interesting range!! But for dino lovers Procon have almost everything, why only think in one range, I do my own range, where can I find a baluchitherium, only in CollectA, and a deinotherium, only in Bullyland (me, nowhere) and a smilodon??? In all brands, so I choose my favourite without thinking in brands!:)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:56 pm

Thanks again dear friends! Your comments helped me a lot! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:24 am

So... If I have to choose between Papo and Schleich confused

Maybe I will choose LINEOL Laughing

The great thing in a collector life is you can collect what your wallet allow you to do... And this is already a cruel rule !

I think the right answer now is to look at Harriet's new cabinet : isn't it nice ? Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:40 am

Great tread, Gabe. flower

I have collected Schleich for perhaps 10 years, for the only reason that they were the only ones I knew about Laughing
(And Reisler, of course, but that is another story as I started 53 years ago)

But with this forum the great world of model figueres has opened. Papo is fabulous !

So are many, many others, - your string is good, because at some time it is neccesary to stop and think, - what am I really collecting?
Or else move to a larger house Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:10 am

PAPO, for sure! I think they are more realistic, and more artistic! They have a more refined look! I have said this all before! I just wish they would stick to a scale(using their big cats, making other animals comparable to their scale, since all the Papo big cats, for the most part look fine together).
I also like some of Safari LTD's figures, which I also collect! To me, Schleich, is more for kids, just not as realistic looking. Their figures have a bulkier look.
I think their 2 best wild animal figures are their male orang and their grazing zebra(which I have, because I thought they look good)!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:39 am

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To me, Schleich, is more for kids, just not as realistic looking. Their figures have a bulkier look.

cheers lol!

This reminds me of the good old discussion : Is Picasso rubbish ? That lady has got an eye in her forehead Evil or Very Mad What a Face scratch
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To me it is a question of a figuere having charm, -having found some of the spirit of the animal, not neccesarily to be exactly a miniature-copy of the animal.
I love the old Schleich much more than the new ones, - the new horses ...hmmm, I buy them but never ever put them on a shelf.

I just adore most of the old Bullys, they are so naive.

The Papo-figueres are fabulous, but not only because they rook "real", - many of them are really small sculptures. Take the black African bull. Or the polar bear. Or the mandrill (THE, Mandrill cheers ) and others.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:24 am

What a interesting topic? Initially I tried to concentrate only Schleich & Papo and end up collect almost any brands. For now as long it appeal to me and up to my liking I will buy it. Nowadays become more picky and selective.

Currently My choice:
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:26 am

I buy whatever I like the most!!!!! It would be too hard to stick to just one brand! Schleich, Papo and Safari are easy for me to get locally, the rest take alot more effort.
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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:51 pm

My other real problem(besides keeping them all on one scale) is that there IS SO MUCH COPYCATTING!
It's fine for each company to make the same animal, but make it in a TOTALLY different position! They're so transparent in their approach!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:38 pm

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My other real problem(besides keeping them all on one scale) is that there IS SO MUCH COPYCATTING!
It's fine for each company to make the same animal, but make it in a TOTALLY different position! They're so transparent in their approach!

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:20 am

I WILL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH MY ANIMAL FIGURE COLLECTING UNTIL,
ALL THESE COMPANIES, MAKE THEIR LINE TO SCALE AND IN DIFFERENT
POSTIONS!
For instance, Safari LTD made their 2011' Lion bigger than their Indian rhino, WHY? What's their reasoning?
For example, the Papo Hippo(mouth open), is a very nice size, but why couldn't they have done the same with their elephants?
And I don't want to hear, well they don't want to make too small a figure, because it's not safe for children, then why does Schleich make a baby chimp and orang, just barely over an inch big?
Hey, I'm calling these companies out! I'm sick and tired of their inadequacies!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:22 am

baltimore zoo: They make lions bigger than rhinos because people admire them more... Wink

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:41 am

Gabe, I "admire" lions more than rhinos, but I also really love rhinos!
I don't think that's their reasoning as to why they made the lion much larger than their rhinos. So you telling me, they made the capybara bigger because people adore them more? Get real, brother!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:34 am

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Gabe, I "admire" lions more than rhinos, but I also really love rhinos!
I don't think that's their reasoning as to why they made the lion much larger than their rhinos. So you telling me, they made the capybara bigger because people adore them more? Get real, brother!

Balti, THEY don't made any capybara... Only SAFARI Ltd did. Wink

Maybe their problem is indeed a popularity rating one. Making lions and rhinos at the same scale means :
Making bigger rhinos, more expensive, and sell less.
Or making smaller lions, less expensive, and earn less money.

Nevertheless, you are right, a collection at the same scale would be fantastic... But I think you will not see it in 2011 Laughing

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:25 am

K,
Yes, I know only Safari ltd did, because that's which lion/rhino combo we were talking about in this case (*Papo didn't make an Indian rhino).

*What I said: (For instance, Safari LTD made their 2011' Lion bigger than their Indian rhino, WHY? What's their reasoning?)
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:11 am

I think you are forgetting that all model animals are toys, and brands make it thinking in children.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:43 am

Well hard question... Papo or Schleich...
For me (for example) it is Papo for big cats, Schleich for horses, Safari for WW animals... it´s har to choose. All of them have their best animals and all brands are special for somethinh. That´s why i love collecting from all of them...
But... to answer you question Gabe... my heart is more with Papo :)

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:01 am

Well incha, then if it's toys just for children, then there might as well not be
a Schleichtiersammler forum....
Hasbro makes Star Wars figures. They gear their product to ages over 3 and up(on each figure package they have a warning(choking hazard) because of small parts, not for children under 3). They realize(in other words SMART) they have a lot of adult collectors. I collected Star Wars figures back in the day, and now with their new figure line, I collect the new ones(for me only figures from the original movies). Just like animal figure collectors who collected Lineol, Britains etc. now collect the new animal figures of Papo, Safari, etc.. So these animal figure companies should use that philosophy, since I'm sure they read this forum, and realize that there are a lot of serious collectors, so if they were smart they would use the Hasbro philosophy!
Look if they made one gnu in a walking position, I know collectors would probably buy 20 to make a herd(New 2011 Stormtrooper figure, I'll be buying at least 10), not many kids would do that. So it's their loss in my opinion.






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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:27 am

I agree with you. I collect as well as model animals, Playmobil, and there are many adult collectors. But they are still toys, and I think the producers are thinking more of the young audience that collectors. Though perhaps not as much and this is changing ...

And I think here is the answer to your question about Safari Ltd lion and rhino Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:49 pm

Brands think in money, that's normal. Making a balance in toys companies, which are their main customers? We'd loved that the answer was collectors, but we are very far from it...
Even me, as a collector, I've bought much more figures for children than for me, the real customer is a collector but the figure ends in children hands. ...and when I choose a figure for a child I don't mind with scales. The quality I think is a very important point for children and collectors! The Papo tigress with cub, that is consensual the general opinion about the high quality, I see clearly that works perfectly with children and adultes...
OK, one day my little niece wanted to choose a figure for me and she did with the eyes of a children, she gave me a sitting panda because it was a shame she have 10 pandas and her uncle none! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:58 am

I must admit that I do not care at all about the scale Embarassed Embarassed

Many of the AAA-figures are HUGE, ant he Bullyland Microes and Schleich Minis are tiny, - but I love them both, sorry, sorry Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:57 pm

Hi Sussane, the scale does only matter if you think in collecting animal replicas for dioramas. In my case, I collect animal replicas because I like the animals, I look for the shape, the features and expression of the animal in order to buy or not a model, I do not care about the scale also.

If an animal looks great on any brand I will get it (if possible) to keep on adding new species to my animal collection. The important thing to me is getting as much species an individuals as I can that shows the real animal.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:54 pm

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Hi Sussane, the scale does only matter if you think in collecting animal replicas for dioramas. In my case, I collect animal replicas because I like the animals, I look for the shape, the features and expression of the animal in order to buy or not a model, I do not care about the scale also.

If an animal looks great on any brand I will get it (if possible) to keep on adding new species to my animal collection. The important thing to me is getting as much species an individuals as I can that shows the real animal.


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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:03 pm

I agree 100% with Susanne and Alejandro!!!! Scale is not a big matter to me. I collect for the species and the model type. I do not do dioramas so the scale is not a factor in my decision. I just like to have as much variety as I can find.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:14 pm

I don't mind not having all my models in scale with one another - I like to have some in scale with each and display them together. If there's a model that I really love even if it's too big or small I would still buy it.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:23 pm

I also don't mind with scales but honestly I'm not a big fan of very large figures, And Susanne you are not only, the most part of the members don't care with size!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:40 pm

Me either. I prefer them relatively the same size...

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:48 am

I like to know the scale of the model, I would be very happy if a company would make an, even nearly, 1/20 line. But I have no hope about this !

I like to collect the ones I fall in love for, even if they are too big, too small, too old... Love affair is a love affair Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:58 am

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I like to collect the ones I fall in love for, even if they are too big, too small, too old... Love affair is a love affair Very Happy
Your the same as me Christophe Very Happy cheers

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:36 am

I would fall in "love" much more, if the figures are in scale with each other!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:15 am

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I would fall in "love" much more, if the figures are in scale with each other!

Of course Balti I love you

But which scale ? Wink

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:41 pm

Whatever scale they use, as long as they're in reasonable proportion
when placed together.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:33 pm

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I WILL NEVER BE HAPPY WITH MY ANIMAL FIGURE COLLECTING UNTIL,
ALL THESE COMPANIES, MAKE THEIR LINE TO SCALE AND IN DIFFERENT
POSTIONS!
For instance, Safari LTD made their 2011' Lion bigger than their Indian rhino, WHY? What's their reasoning?
For example, the Papo Hippo(mouth open), is a very nice size, but why couldn't they have done the same with their elephants?
And I don't want to hear, well they don't want to make too small a figure, because it's not safe for children, then why does Schleich make a baby chimp and orang, just barely over an inch big?
Hey, I'm calling these companies out! I'm sick and tired of their inadequacies!


I think Safari made the new lion bigger to fit better in scale with the newer lionesses, which are around around 1:15 scale. The Rhino appears to be closer to the 1:30 scale they typically seem to use for really large animals, but the Wildlife Wonders White Rhino, Hippo, and even the Asian Elephant are 1:15 (Although the that represents the size minimum for an Asian Elephant. It also fits with 1:18 or 1:20 scaled figures). Papo's Hippo is scaled around 1:20 - 1:24 and the Papo Black Rhino is around 1:20 - 1:25 scale. I think that for many of the figures they actually do try to make them somewhat in scale - i.e., the Wild Safari Giant Anteater is between 1:11 and 1:14 scale. Their Jaguar is between 1:13 and 1:15 scale. There is plenty of overlap. Also, the Vanishing Wild Reticulated Giraffe and African Elephant were 1:15 scale. Just sayin.

Papo also seems to try to make most of their wild animals to scale. Most of their animals seem to fit between 1:16 and 1:18, although you do have strays here and there. I think that most of the companies don't make elephants, rhinos, giraffes, or any of the large ungulates much under the 1:20 scale due to the production and shipping costs. The bigger they are, the more expensive they are to make and ship, and the few of them fit on a store shelf. Maybe Safari's Wildlife Wonders are a glimpse of things to come, but I doubt it because they are expensive - around $20 - $25 for the African Elephant, which is 3 to 4 times the cost of the Wild Safari Elephant - fewer parents are going to shell out that kind of money just to keep the animals "in scale". When you think about it, it's a rather compulsive request.

As for child safety being a reason for not making something, that's not a legit reason. I know that Safari has said they sometimes shy away from making long horns and whatnot because the only way to ensure they are not mangled during shipping is to use a lot more packing material, which means it costs them more to get the figures onto store shelves, and ungulates do not sell as well as carnivores, unfortunately. So the costs outweigh the benefits, and they don't produce them. They are starting to see the benefits of producing high quality mini-figures, though, and are starting to focus on introducing novel species that way. Those that prove most popular have the best chance of seeing introduction into the Wild Safari or other lines. They also have started making their Good Luck Minis, and this year's Meerkat is awesome looking, and though I haven't scaled it yet, I'm betting it will fit in scale with some of their other figures.

I forgot to mention: Lineol, et al. were making their animals for the model train and related hobbies, which is the primary reason they made them to scale. They now only produce a fraction of the animals they once made, likely because it was not profitable to make in-scale animal replicas. If it had been, they would still be churning out their animals at the same speed or greater than the other modern manufacturers.

Noah's Pals believed that in a collection, all the animals should be scaled the same. They were "run aground" by Schleich, who supposedly made great statements about the possibility of doing a collection similar to Noah's Pals where all the figures were in scale. Thus far, I've seen no great effort by Schleich to make any of their models in scale - in fact, of all the major modern manufacturers, they have to poorest track record of making their figures in scale. For awhile, many of Schleich's figures were around 1:22 scale, and some still are, like the Lions and Zebras, and Greater Kudu. But their Jaguar has a maximum scale of 1:16, their Cheetah is scaled 1:15 - 1:18, and their Tigers are scaled 1:17 - 1:20 (assuming they can represent Siberian Tigers. If they are Bengals, then the max scale is 1:19). Their Eurasian Lynx is 1:16 - 1:17 scale. They discontinued their Puma, which was 1:14 - 1:17 scale. As we can see, just from the big cats, which both Papo and Wild Safari have kept fairly well scaled, and although there is some overlap, Schleich shows the least amount of it.

Given this information, and the fact that of the modern manufacturers, Schleich has been around the longest, they have obviously not been ignorant of the idea of in-scale figures. Likely, their profits are such that they either don't need to consider doing that, or they have done the market research and found that only a small margin of people are interested in/care about scale, so it would be unprofitable to focus on that. All of the manufacturers seem to be moving away from scaled collections. (goodbye Vanishing Wild, hello Wildlife Wonders; hello re-scaled Carengie Collection, goodbye 1:40 scale; hello re-scaled Monterey Bay Aquarium Collection, goodbye 1:40 scale; hello Collecta, Mojo, Colorata... etc, etc, etc.). Which brings me back to my conclusion that a cost-benefit analysis indicates that keeping figures in scale isn't profitable.

To that end, if there is no profit, there is no company, and thus, no new figures. I'd far rather have the current situation than that!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:20 pm

Impressive and interesting analysis, Sphyrna !
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:21 am

I agree with a lot of things you said here Sphyrna18 and that's the reason I have no hope to see an "only one scale" brand. On day I decided this problem wouldn't disturb my joy of collecting and life is better like that... Since I can't do anything to change this !

Nevertheless, about LINEOL, this brand made animals "nearly in scale" in a time where international competition was very low. But they didn't made their animals or soldiers for the model trains and related hobbies. The company which made model trains is LIONEL and have nothing to do in this story.
LINEOL was a German company and LIONEL is a US company.
LINEOL disappeared after WW2 because this company was in the DDR. Then VEB PLAHO made smaller plastic animals inspred by LINEOL models.

A New LINEOL borned after the reunification of Germany but you still have to search for the zoo line Wink

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